More evidence that Wikipedia has nothing to do with reality. The page notes street craps 'reportedly' popularized by African Americans - the source is from , likely not the most reliable source out there. Can someone please example 'odds' bet. Where exactally do you place chips on the table for an odds bet?
For someone who knows nothing about the game this article is no where near enough to construct and play the game. The title image has incorrect copyright. Some one correct it, or replace it with a better image. Right now it looks like ripped off some casino webpage. Also, its a lousy image, and not at all instructive. The reason I'm asking is cause the player cannot take the bet off until he wins or loses.
If a 7th point is thrown do the players with fire bets only get paid once, or do they get paid twice? There cannot be a seventh point thrown. This is based on unique points made, of which there are only six 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, For example, a shooter who sets and makes a point of 6 five times in a row would still only count as one point for the fire bet.
A shooter who sets and makes 4, 6, 6, 8, and 9 has, for the purposes of the fire bet, cleared four points. Anybody agree that the article would benefit from a table layout. What does everyone want with regard to the odds table? Should I have different odds for win, loss, push, and all the different payouts on the multiple payoff bets?
For instance, on the don't pass, the odds of winning are which is where the house edge comes in , but the odds of not losing are better than even chance. The odds of rolling the 12 are of course There is reference on the table to the Santa Ana Star Casino's odds. This is inappropriate and transparent advertising and not suitable for inclusion. Unless you're planning on including the special odds offered by every single casino which offers them.
Santa Ana Star Casino's page itself is clearly written by someone who works for them and the references are clearly designed to draw trade. I make many trips to Nevada, either Laughlin or Vegas. Money is the only thing that counts and if you take a good look at the percentages, every chart would tell you play the pass line and come.
If you take into account the money invested on a point and full odds, you would be surprised of your actual winnings compared to the amount of money you put up. The reason for this is to decrease the money paid out on points and increase the house edge. You would be better off placing the number.
You would actually see a higher payout on a place bet than you would on the money you bet on the pass line plus odds. Let me give you an example and then tell me its better to play the pass line or come. Now, I have to use odd numbers for this example apples to apples in order to show you the money. Now, you decide to take maximum odds. But what if the 4 hits? Watch this. The same principle still puts a place bet on a 6 or 8 with higher profits than Coming with 5x odds on a 6 or 8.
The 4 or 9 is even when it relates to profits on point plus 4x odds. Sincerely, Frank. Perhaps under "etiquette", or else in its own section along with the simple table that's currently there. I'm thinking of a list of the various silly phrases that are thrown out by players and dealers in response to the various rolls. I must admit, I'm a newbie here, this would be my first wikipedia contribution. But I think it's a good one, I have a long list of these fun shout-outs. Isn't this a vulgar name for a game?
Jonghyunchung talk , 22 January UTC. In the bet Odds section, the actual odds are listed as Unless I'm crazy, this cannot be correct as a payoff of 1 to 1 would imply a positive expectation game which is false. Mgunn talk , 25 February UTC. In the section on Don't Pass odds, it says "putting up the long side reduces variance. This is simply untrue, or at least untrue on the surface. For example, if the point is 4 or 10, the variance of laying 10 to win 5 is the SAME as taking 5 to win And if you have a don't pass bet, and then lay odds on top of it, you have increased the variance from what it was before.
If some other meaning is intended it should be spelled out. There is one little-known way to place a free odds bet independently, and that is to find yourself at the table standing next to a player who bets the pass line but does not take odds. Then you ask that person, "Do you mind if I play your odds? When I used to play Caribbean Stud, I never bet the progressive, and I have had instances wherein the player next to me has asked to play my progressive bet which request I always granted.
Jimpoz talk , 23 April UTC. Does anyone know what the odds and house edge on a fire bet are? Would that information be proper to include in the Bet Odds table? Joylock talk , 28 August UTC. Such odds would be dependent on what was rolled as the point and on the odds of hitting each un-hit number while not sevening out and while coming out at least twice odds against; each time.
Without doing all the math for a decision tree, I would say the guys who did figured a significant house edge as the payoff is big and it sounds simple to do. Liko81 talk , 29 August UTC. I don't think this is correct, is it? I'm pretty sure the dice only get passed if the shooter rolls a 7 once a point is established. If the shooter rolls a 2, 3, or 12 on the come-out roll, that shooter continues to shoot until a point is established.
At least, that's the way it works at all the casinos in which I've played. You are correct. The dice are only passed if a shooter 'sevens out'. If the dice were loaded enough , players could gain an advantage by observing rolls and betting accordingly in the future. This would remove the fallacy in "Gambler's Fallacy". The article says Players can buy or place any point number 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 except for the current point.
However, I have seen some online games that allow you to buy or lay the current point. Is the article correct that you cannot buy or place the established current point number? What about laying the current point?
You can place or buy or lay the current point, it is just not common because the player usually already has a pass or don't pass line bet, and if they want more money on the point they can use the free odds bet. If a player comes to the table in the middle of the hand, there is also the "Put" bet, which is a place bet that is made on the current point by placing your bet half way off the pass line space.
I will delete the offending text from the article. Rjljr2 talk , 7 December UTC. The most compelling thing to me as a Craps lover is that it's a very boisterous game of chance made far more entertaining than other casino games because of the language and phrases used while playing. A list of interesting phrases heard and their meaning would be a great addition.
The roles of the Stickman and Boxman should be defined and some may find it interesting how bets are placed. The Stickmen are usually comedians and the Boxman is the heavy but can add some great jargon as well. Also, Stickmen tend to learn your typical bet s and will bet on your behalf asking for money laying odds, playing hard ways, center bets, how you press, etc. Perhaps I should clarify part of my last paragraph.
If you tell him "no" and the "off" maker is set, a winning seven will preserve your bets. Then, if a point is set, your numbers buy may need to be rearranged to avoid the new point. Some older references list the house edge as 1. However, this is the edge per bet resolved, NOT per bet; it ignores ties.
This works out to 1. Larry talk , 2 February UTC. From Dr. Needtob Athe - That's true, but the page currently gives the odds as and the house edge as 1. This is a contradiction. Odds of are equivalent to losing 27 units out of every bet, or This is the correct figure if you consider ties as unresolved bets. However, the figure next to it of 1. One way or another, the matter should be settled and the contradiction should be corrected.
One possibility would be to explain the matter and provide both figures. A few things I didn't see mentioned are reasons for popularity of the game - it should be mentioned that since a large number of players are betting very similarly on the point and elsewhere wins can be celebrated en masse, making it quite a social game with shouts heard across the casino.
Also, it is a particularly volitile game streaky , meaning you can win money fast, and lose money faster than other games, which adds to the excitement factor. Inquiring minds. Now it shows up, but it looks like those sources copied from wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by The mentioning of "Bank Craps" also known as "Las Vegas Craps", being a variation of Craps that is popular in Nevada "gambling houses" is confusing to me The sentence appears to be describing the standard craps game that is played in casinos worldwide, so it seems a little awkward to call it a variation I have been to about 10 casinos in the US, Macau, and Australia, but have never seen a string stretched over the table.
Is a "gambling house" different from a casino? Either this description is wrong, or else it needs to clarify where this variation is found. I'd appreciate if someone with a better understanding could clarify this section about "Bank Craps". Missing from the list of geographical nicknames for points are "Big Dick from Punkin' Crick" and "Big Daddy from Cincinnati", both nicknames for the 10 Simply, the shooter rolls a 7 or 11 or a craps number 2, 3, or So keep that in mind.
Game won, Next Game another 7, Game won and we are into the third come out roll of the shooter who has yet to roll a point. After all there are more ways to roll a seven than any other number. Check the Chart:. Betting this way always win on the come-out, but for a price one would think. After 3 Come-Out Rolls of 7, I won:. How did that happen? So what do I do with the hop the 7 bet after the 3 come-out rolls that began and ended with a 7 on the come-out.
Remember that I made the hop bet that hit twice on the 2nd and third come-out rolls. So if you are thinking I press the Hop the 7 Bet again on the 4th come-out , you are correct. Keep reading. So for me, I am the most secure player at the table on the come-out roll. Not fool proof at all, but this sequence occurs much more than you think. Now we start to talk about much bigger money! Here were your 3 craps wins in a row 1. If one is considering playing the super hedge system, then you should agree that winning a little money is much better than losing a lot of money.
Winning a little is better than losing a lot. Agree at times?
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DeMango Member. Secret of Success: Learn to throw a seven above probability. Sooner or later you hit a rough patch and get wiped out. I recommend the D'Alembert progression. DeMango , Jul 28, I don't throw, I just go to a cold or choppy table. Joined: Oct 21, Messages: 79 Likes Received: Best you can do with any Marty is break even over time.
Been There Done That, sure looks good on paper, not so much on the felt. TDVegas, Jul 29, TDVegas Member. Joined: Jan 4, Messages: 18, Likes Received: 13, True gambler fallacy is that previous results will influence future rolls. If it works for you, go with it. Suggesting there is some science of miserable, cranky players behind it is superstition.
The only thing that beats a don't pass player is a comeoutand they DO happen enough times to tilt the edge into the houses favor. Once you get past the comeout, you certainly hold an edge. The problem is the comeout. Thanks Stickman PS: Also, it seems to me that by placing the Pass and the Don't Pass bets in place until a point is established, you would be reducing the overall volatility of your bankroll.
Joined: Mar 28, Threads: 27 Posts: Joined: Nov 12, Threads: 17 Posts: You don't throw one dice with 11 numbers on it. You throw two dice with six on it, meaning that there are 8 ways to throw a 7 or 11, 3 ways to throw a 2 or 3, and 1 way to throw a Yes, you do lower the volatility. In fact, if you don't put odds down, your variance will be extremely low -- you can't win.
When you place odds the HA does go down but by less because you have more units in play and you lose the benefit of the come out roll. You can't handle the truth! Joined: Jan 14, Threads: Posts: April 9th, at PM permalink. The bets are really independent of each other. In your mind you are thinking that one cancels the other out, but that's not really true. It's not a very smart bet, but it is certainly not the worst. Betting both ways is no worse than playing the field, and still not as bad as a proposition bet.
In a similar manner they think they are reducing their risk, because they figure that if they lose the pass line bet because the dice end up craps, at least they will win the craps bet. But it doesn't really cover you because you lose the craps bet on the 7's and 11's and all the point rolls. The house average is So it may be only a dollar bet, but the expectation is relatively low. To get the house average of two independent bets, you simply add the house averages of the individual bets.
Joined: Mar 30, Threads: 17 Posts: Yeah, I posted a similar question as this a few days back. The entire HA come from the 12 being rolled on the come-out. In other words, if the 12 won, rather than pushed on the comeout for a DP bet, you could use this strategy for zero HA. Of course the trade-off is that you are only getting small wins, while risking large bets on the DP odds.
Joined: Nov 2, Threads: Posts: I don't play the Donts, but every time this comes up, I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. This statement makes sense: Quote: pacomartin. I invented a few casino games.
But how much does it cost to knock on wood?
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